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		<title>John Papola&#8217;s attempt at a productive discussion</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 02:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may be the beginning of a good discussion on economic worldviews (HT: Pretense of Knowledge) and is definitely worth a read. Here&#8217;s a snippet of him responding to his opponent: Mr. Livingston kicks off his rebuttal with a politically-charged &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/john-papolas-attempt-at-a-productive-discussion/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7992&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/04/a-libertarian-take-on-economic-1.html" target="_blank">This</a> may be the beginning of a good discussion on economic worldviews (HT: <a href="http://www.pretenseofknowledge.com/" target="_blank"><em>Pretense of Knowledge</em></a>) and is definitely worth a read.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a snippet of him responding to his opponent:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mr. Livingston kicks off his rebuttal with a politically-charged round of ridicule complete with a barrage of buzzwords like &#8220;austerity,&#8221; &#8220;trickle-down&#8221; and &#8220;Reaganomics&#8221; whose sole purpose is to rile partisan fervor in the reader. My argument was thus hand-waved away as mere &#8220;faith&#8221; in classical economics with the assertion that &#8220;no amount of evidence&#8221; can shake me of my baseless dogma.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Jon Stewart&#8217;s feedback problem</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 05:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s Jim Treacher on Jon Stewart&#8217;s disappointment in the apparent unfolding of government with Obama in charge (via Instapundit). I primarily appreciated this: &#8230;once I saw through his Clown Nose Off/Clown Nose On routine — “You should listen to me &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/jon-stewarts-feedback-problem/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7988&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/15/jon-stewart-is-angry-at-obama-for-proving-us-right/">Here&#8217;s</a> Jim Treacher on Jon Stewart&#8217;s disappointment in the apparent unfolding of government with Obama in charge (via <em>Instapundit</em>). I primarily appreciated this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;once I saw through his Clown Nose Off/Clown Nose On routine — “You should listen to me because what I’m saying is important, but I’ll brush off your rebuttal by insisting I’m just a comedian” — it was like <a href="http://www.moillusions.com/2011/12/spot-the-black-and-white-cows.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">the optical illusion with the cows</a>. It might take you a minute to see it, but once you do, you can’t <em>unsee</em> it.</p></blockquote>
<p>The &#8216;clown nose off/clown nose on&#8217; is an apt description for Stewart. But, why should he engage? He makes enough money putting the clown nose on whenever faced with something that challenges his worldview.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a feedback problem, which I think is why he still believes in government. I always tell my friends that I don&#8217;t trust politicians, not even the ones I think I like. It was a lesson I learned at a young age when I realized that it wasn&#8217;t worth defending folks I don&#8217;t know and hoping they could want to be politicians for noble reasons.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one of the key reasons why I would like to keep the power of government limited. Politicians aren&#8217;t noble.</p>
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		<title>Does the speed of light change? and more crazy stuff</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 05:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve asked several times on this blog why light has a speed. Here&#8217;s one example. I&#8217;ve also wondered if the speed of light might have changed over time. This science article discusses two studies that say maybe to the second &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/does-the-speed-of-light-change-and-more-crazy-stuff/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7982&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve asked several times on this blog why light has a speed. Here&#8217;s <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/why-3/" target="_blank">one example</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also wondered if the speed of light might have changed over time.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/speed-light-may-not-constant-phycisists-133539398.html" target="_blank">This science article</a> discusses two studies that say maybe to the second question. One of those studies appears to have a similar view as mine as to why there is a speed of light. I found this interesting:</p>
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<p id="yui_3_8_1_52_1368637664665_246">The second paper proposes a different mechanism but comes to the same conclusion that light speed changes. In that case, Gerd Leuchs and Luis Sánchez-Soto, from the Max Planck Institute for the Physics of Light in Erlangen, Germany, say that the number of species of elementary particle that exist in the universe may be what makes the speed of light what it is.</p>
<p>Leuchs and Sanchez-Soto say that there should be, by their calculations, on the order of 100 &#8220;species&#8221; of particle that have charges. The current law governing particle physics, the Standard Model, identifies nine: the electron, muon, tauon, the <a href="http://www.livescience.com/13613-strange-quarks-muons-nature-tiniest-particles-dissected.html" rel="nofollow">six kinds of quark</a>, photons and the W-boson.</p></blockquote>
<p>We know that the speed of light changes in different mediums. For example, it slows down when it travels through water or air vs. a vacuum, which is what gives us refraction. I&#8217;m not sure we know why this happens either.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve mentioned it before, but I think the speed of light could be the fastest rate at which the fabric of this reality* can change states. In a vacuum, that&#8217;s pretty fast. When matter is around, that&#8217;s slower.</p>
<p>Matter and a vacuum is made of the same stuff, just in different states. When that stuff is in the state that produces matter (which I think may just be several pieces of the fabric interacting, which also affects other pieces of it &#8211;warping space-time &#8212; producing gravity), the rate at which the fabric can change states slows down. That may also be why matter can&#8217;t travel at the speed of light. Since the fabric has a slower change rate with matter than with no matter, there&#8217;s no way that the matter itself could go at the fastest rate of change of no matter.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s possible that light isn&#8217;t traveling at all. Rather, it&#8217;s just an energy state that is propagated through the fabric. Think of the energy waves that propagate out in the water from a rock being tossed in a pond. The water doesn&#8217;t flow away from the rock. The water is just the fabric that propagates the energy. The water in one spot of the pond is the same water as it was before and after the wave comes through, it just changed states for moment.</p>
<p>I know&#8230;sounds crazy.  Notice, I use &#8216;could&#8217; or &#8216;maybe&#8217; a lot. But, given that nobody else has explained why light has a speed, I thought I&#8217;d give it a shot.</p>
<p>I know this will sound crazier, but this rate of change of the fabric reality is time. Without there being some impedance to that rate of change, there would be no time.</p>
<p>ok&#8230;go ahead&#8230;lol</p>
<p>*I don&#8217;t know what the fabric of this reality is. Einstein called it space-time. I tend to think of it like string theorists &#8212; little bands of energy (or particles) that interact with one another and can change states. It seems they could be interacting with one another in the dimensions we can perceive and in dimensions that we cannot.</p>
<p>Think of an image on the TV (which, btw, the pixels in the TV have a max refresh rate that could be similar to the max state change rate). If the objects on the TV were self-aware, they may be able to sense their own 2D fabric, but not the third dimension from which the signal travels that tells each piece of the 2D fabric which state to be.</p>
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		<title>The end is nigh</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 02:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now they are writing books about how higher education may change in the next decade (via Marginal Revolution). This one happens to be from the editor-at-large (whatever that means) of The Chronicle of Higher Education. From the book description: The great &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/14/the-end-is-nigh/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7979&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now they are writing <a href="http://www.amazon.com/College-Unbound-Future-Education-Students/dp/0544027078/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1368440255&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=jeffrey+selingo/marginalrevol-20" target="_blank">books</a> about how higher education may change in the next decade (via <em>Marginal Revolution</em>). This one happens to be from the editor-at-large (whatever that means) of <em>The Chronicle of Higher Education</em>.</p>
<p>From the book description:</p>
<blockquote><p>The great credential race has turned universities into big business and fostered an environment where middle tier colleges can command elite university-level tuition while concealing staggeringly low graduation rates and churning out students with few hard skills into the job market.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder if the NCAA will split off and form its own professional athletic leagues that are supported by beer companies.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2013 19:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found the following comment from Gunteh on the Idiot&#8217;s Collective blog post about Michael Sandel that I linked to here (square brackets are Gunteh&#8217;s): I recently came across a particular individual on Youtube who makes a living by debating &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/challenge-accepted/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7951&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the following comment from Gunteh on the<em> Idiot&#8217;s Collective</em> blog post about Michael Sandel that I linked to <a title="Links" href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/links-2/">here</a> (square brackets are Gunteh&#8217;s):</p>
<blockquote><p>I recently came across a particular individual on Youtube who makes a living by debating libertarians in spontaneous and live radio format.<br />
[He is a self-proclaimed leftist, believes that libertarians are idealistic albeit aloof, and argues on the following argument pattern]:<br />
-There has &#8220;never&#8221; been historical context for a purely free-market system, both economically/morally.<br />
-There are rules/interventions that are mandatory in order for society to run (laws, subsidies)<br />
-There are always winners and losers, and whether or not government has a responsibility to that, we ourselves pick and &#8220;subsidize&#8221; businesses/moral opinions relatively. Therefore, there is no reason for government not to do that as well if human beings innately make choices.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure who this individual is and I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d be willing to debate him on his home turf. I don&#8217;t have much experience with live radio. But, I would be willing to discuss his views on a blog post.</p>
<p>To the specific argument pattern that Gunteh lays out, I would likely respond as follows:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;There has &#8216;never&#8217; been historical context for a purely free-market system, both economically/morally.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t think there are many libertarians who don&#8217;t think there is a role for limited government. Though, there might be some.  But, I think this person paints with too broad of stroke.</p>
<p>Second, and more important, there doesn&#8217;t have to be a historical context for a purely free-market system since we have plenty of historical contexts, and current contexts, for &#8220;systems&#8221; (that is, groups of people) with vibrant free markets and systems without.</p>
<p>Even within these &#8220;systems&#8221; there are subsystems that we can look at. Within the U.S., for example, there are other organizations of people. Cities, businesses, chess clubs, Home Owners Associations, families, charities, hospitals, states, churches, AA, AAA, crime syndicates, lobbies and so forth.</p>
<p>So, if we are interested, we can look at countries and subgroups and see which ones seem to do better and why. Not doing so, lacks imagination. This has been something that has interested me from an early age. For example, I <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/about/" target="_blank">wondered</a> how two neighboring public school districts could be so different as to prompt my parents to undertake the cost of moving from one district to the other.</p>
<p>In my view, the case is strong that systems that allow people to make the choices that are right for them, within their set of constraints and consequences, produce better results over time.</p>
<p>Granted, it is hard to untangle that and we often confuse cause and effect. Folks often look at the success story of the U.S. and assume that all that government has done has been a cause for the success, rather than a result of the wealth created in the free market.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more productive to discuss the features of these groups and subgroups and what makes them different, rather than discuss whether a pure free market system has ever existed or is desirable.</p>
<p>To use an old and tired quip, there was nary a historical context against slavery before that was largely abolished, either, as slavery existed in some shape or form just about every in the world up to that point. That, in itself, did not prove that abolishing slavery wouldn&#8217;t be good.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;There are rules/interventions that are mandatory in order for society to run (laws, subsidies)&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>The question I would have this radio host to consider is where these rules come from. Did they evolve from emerging practice or were they conjured up by a small group of people?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be looking for more specific examples here, though, before I engage beyond this.</p>
<p><strong>&#8216;There are always winners and losers, and whether or not government has a responsibility to that, we ourselves pick and &#8220;subsidize&#8221; businesses/moral opinions relatively. Therefore, there is no reason for government not to do that as well if human beings innately make choices.&#8217;</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that government is a poor mechanism for picking winners and losers because its feedback loops are less effective, and sometimes backwards, from market feedback loops.</p>
<p>My post, <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/profits-and-ballot-boxes/" target="_blank"><em>Profits and Ballot Boxes</em></a>, summarizes a few key reasons why government feedback loops are bad.</p>
<p>There are more reasons, like the <a style="font-style:inherit;line-height:1.625;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem" target="_blank">knowledge problem</a>, that Steven Landsburg <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/steven-landsburg-on-a-decentralized-economy/" target="_blank">explains well</a>. <span style="font-style:inherit;line-height:1.625;">And, it&#8217;s important to understand the only </span><a style="font-style:inherit;line-height:1.625;" href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/its-the-thought-that-counts/" target="_blank">four ways to spend money</a><span style="font-style:inherit;line-height:1.625;">. The way government spends money (spending other people&#8217;s money on other people) ends up being the least careful way to spend it. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-style:inherit;line-height:1.625;">It&#8217;s also good to remember that government tends to <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/why-private-is-better-that-public/">reward failure</a>. Finally, when we discuss private vs. public, it seems we often assume politicians are saints, not subject to the same incentives as other people, which is a rotten assumption.</span><a style="font-style:inherit;line-height:1.625;" href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2010/07/13/five-excellent-paragraphs-from-thomas-sowell/" target="_blank"><br />
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		<title>Higher Education Bubble Watch</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2013 18:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read about the Enstitute: Learning By Doing in Forbes. This may not replace MIT, just yet, but I love seeing these upstart experiments to offer something different from the traditional seminar model of education. I think this kind of stuff &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/higher-education-bubble-watch/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7969&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about the <a href="http://enstituteu.com/">Enstitute: Learning By Doing</a> in <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2013/04/17/the-apprentices-learn-by-doing-entrepreneurship-at-enstitute-2/"><em>Forbes</em></a>. This may not replace MIT, just yet, but I love seeing these upstart experiments to offer something different from the traditional seminar model of education.</p>
<p>I think this kind of stuff should start around 5th or 6th grade, maybe sooner.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 10:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the comments to this post, we had what I thought was a good discussion regarding fairness and how government interference usually causes unfairness rather than fixes it. Wally asked if unfair processes exist outside government. I responded that they &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/cans-of-corn/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7967&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the comments to <a title="Neither do I" href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/neither-do-i/">this</a> post, we had what I thought was a good discussion regarding fairness and how government interference usually causes unfairness rather than fixes it.</p>
<p>Wally asked if unfair processes exist outside government. I responded that they do but that there are better feedbacks and choice outside of government to help with that.</p>
<p>Don Boudreaux just wrote a fantastic column, <em><a href="http://triblive.com/opinion/donaldboudreaux/3970736-74/regulation-competitive-workers#axzz2ShGZ8rAU" target="_blank">Competitive regulation</a>,</em> in the <em>Pittsburgh Tribune</em> addressing how much better feedbacks and choices, which derive from competition, work in a free market work than the regulations from government.</p>
<p>I particularly love this part:</p>
<blockquote><p>No one asserts that competitive regulation works perfectly. But perfection isn&#8217;t the appropriate standard. The claim, rather, is that competitive regulation works pretty darn well.</p>
<p>Want evidence? Go to the supermarket and then to the mall. You&#8217;ll find astonishingly wide offerings of high-quality and affordable goods: food and drink products, detergents, kitchenware, clothing, furniture, consumer electronics and on and on and on. You&#8217;ll also find stores manned by clerks and managers who generally would be distraught to lose their jobs.</p>
<p>Nearly none of what you see is the result of government regulation. No regulator ordered Safeway into business. And no regulator tells it what to offer for sale. If Safeway wished, it could — as far as the government is concerned — stock only cans of corn and nothing else. It could refuse to pay any of its workers wages higher than the legislated minimum. It could open for only 15 minutes daily. It could use pencils and paper, rather than electronic scanners or cash registers, to tally its customers&#8217; grocery bills.</p>
<p>But it does none of these things. Competing with Kroger, Wal-Mart and other supermarkets, Safeway voluntarily chooses — for its shareholders&#8217; own good — to spend tens of millions of dollars annually to keep its shelves stocked with a vast assortment of items, to pay most of its employees wages well above the legislated minimum, and to undertake all the other countless activities that it must undertake to turn a profit.</p></blockquote>
<p>I continually find it amazing how much a part of life these feedbacks and choices are and how little people recognize it.</p>
<p>People simply don&#8217;t recognize that free market and competition provides them with so many choices. How often do we complain about not getting what we want with stuff that comes to us by way of generally free markets like restaurants, shoes or deodorants? How often do we complain about things from government?</p>
<p>Sure, there are complaints about products. As Boudreaux says, no one says the market is perfect. But, there are entire TV and radio channels dedicated to complaining about government.</p>
<p>The same people go to Target and to the DMV. I can&#8217;t figure out why they never seem to think &#8220;I want more of what brought me Target and less of what brought me the DMV&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Good assignment</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Innovation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Innovationism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Politics]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a nice assignment (via Instapundit): If you want to introduce someone to libertarian thinking, encourage them to try this experiment. Spend a few days reading nothing but technology news. Then spend a few days reading nothing but political news. &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/good-assignment/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7962&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.samizdata.net/2013/05/samizdata-quote-of-the-day-288/" target="_blank">Here&#8217;s</a> a nice assignment (via <em>Instapundit</em>):</p>
<blockquote><p>If you want to introduce someone to libertarian thinking, encourage them to try this experiment. Spend a few days reading nothing but technology news. Then spend a few days reading nothing but political news. For the first few days they’ll see an exciting world of innovation and creativity where everything is getting better all the time. In the second period they’ll see a miserable world of cynicism and treachery where everything is falling apart. Then ask them to explain the difference.</p>
<p>- Andrew Zalotocky</p></blockquote>
<p>If you accept this challenge, I&#8217;d love to hear your thoughts.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Neither do I</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 15:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Analysis]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don Boudreaux, of Cafe Hayek, explains why he doesn&#8217;t care about income inequality. I agree. At the end his post, Boudreaux adds a great comment from Steve Horwitz. I also agree with a couple of comments to the post that &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/neither-do-i/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7958&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Boudreaux, of <em>Cafe Hayek</em>, <a href="http://cafehayek.com/2013/05/i-do-not-care-about-income-or-wealth-differences.html" target="_blank">explains why</a> he doesn&#8217;t care about income inequality. I agree. At the end his post, Boudreaux adds a great comment from Steve Horwitz.</p>
<p>I also agree with a couple of comments to the post that say that concern for income inequality isn&#8217;t necessarily &#8220;envy elevated to public policy,&#8221; as Boudreaux claims at one point.</p>
<p>While I think envy plays a role for some of those concerned with the income-inequality-shiny-object, I think others are motivated by what they view as unfair processes for achieving wealth, which is also a concern of Boudreaux&#8217;s.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that Boudreaux and these folks have different views on what constitute unfair processes. Which, I believe, should take the discussion to the next stage: What are those unfair processes and why are they unfair?</p>
<p>Boudreaux and libertarians generally see wealth acquired through market activities as fair and wealth acquired by scratching the back of a politician as unfair.  But, others tend to see it the other way around.</p>
<p>But, those who see it the other way around don&#8217;t explain the processes they deem as unfair. They assume income inequality is proof that the processes were unfair.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something else I&#8217;ve noticed. Ask them about the wealth Steve Jobs earned before his death or that of their favorite movie stars and you&#8217;ll hear why these particular wealthy people deserve it. It&#8217;s because they produced something these folks personally value.</p>
<p>Ask them about the wealth of an oil or pharmaceutical company CEO and you&#8217;ll get a sneer.</p>
<p>Their idea of &#8220;unfair processes&#8221; generally is their own arbitrary assessment of whether the person deserves the wealth or not.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Don&#8217;t Miss the Chance to Privatize</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 04:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Government]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to this Forbes piece, President Obama proposed privatizing the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) in his budget, but Republicans from Tennessee are opposed using the very same arguments that democrats used to oppose privatizing the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA), when &#8230; <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/dont-miss-the-chance-to-privatize/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ourdinnertable.wordpress.com&#038;blog=11171756&#038;post=7947&#038;subd=ourdinnertable&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <em><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2013/05/03/republicans-reverse-history-with-tva-defense/" target="_blank">this Forbes piece</a></em>, President Obama proposed privatizing the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) in his budget, but Republicans from Tennessee are opposed using the very same arguments that democrats used to oppose privatizing the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA), when President Bush proposed privatizing it.</p>
<p>First, I want to point out that politics is politics. In the comments of <a href="http://ourdinnertable.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/the-multiplier-is-not-prosperity/" target="_blank">this</a> post from February, Wally and I discussed the BPA, an electric power provider in the Northwest structured like the TVA as a Federal government stepchild.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a fluke that President W proposed privatizing the BPA, while Obama proposed to privatize the TVA. The BPA provides power primarily to states that tend to vote for Democrats, while the TVA does the same in states that tend to vote for Republicans. Might as well take government goodies from your opponents first.</p>
<p>Plus, it doesn&#8217;t hurt to get your opponents in Congress spun up on keeping their government goodies so you can claim they are not cooperating with making budget cuts.</p>
<p>But, if I were a Republican I&#8217;d put privatizing the TVA on a fast track and call President Obama&#8217;s bluff.</p>
<p>It would make a great test case that Republicans could use to demonstrate privatization can happen without calamity. Successful test cases make good sales material. If it works out well, it just might touch off the willingness for more privatizations, including things like the BPA in the Northwest and the TSA.</p>
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