Money for nothing

I learned a few things from this EconTalk podcast with guest Casey Mulligan discussing his book, The Redistribution Recession.

One argument from the right against unemployment benefits is that it encourages people to stay unemployed so they can keep receiving it.

A standard retort from the left to that argument is that the unemployment payout is so small that nobody would choose that paltry sum over getting a job.

Mulligan points out that the sum is not trivial. Here’s Mulligan from about 24 minutes into the podcast (bold is mine):

Typically before the recession, unless you are well into the upper half of earnings, when you lost a job you got half of your earnings replaced. So if you used to earn $600 a week, you’d get an unemployment check for $300 a week. And I guess you are referring to kind of that $300 dollar number–it seems $300 isn’t very big. Well, if you earn $600–I earn more than $600 myself–but if you earn $600, then $300 is not all that trivial. Number one.

…number two: There’s all kinds of taxes you don’t have to pay when you are unemployed. Payroll taxes–forget about it. You don’t pay it when you are unemployed. A big chunk of income taxes you are not going to pay when you are unemployed. So when you put all of that together, without even getting to other help you might get from food stamps or Medicaid, put it all together, before the recession about 70%, maybe a little more, of your earnings would be replaced. Not half. And that’s without getting into, like I said, other types of programs.

And when you start with 70% as your baseline–so you are going to get 70% on the old rule, and you are going to put a bunch of new rules* in there–it pushes the 70% up to 85 or 90%. I don’t think we can call that trivial any more.

*The new rules Mulligan mentions earlier in the podcast are expansions made in other programs during in the recession like food stamps, mortgage payment relief and health insurance subsidies.

So, think about these choices:

Choice 1: Get a job making 70% – 100% of what you use to make and give up 40+ hours a week. After paying taxes and paying for more of your food, mortgage and health insurance, you are really making about 50% – 80% of what you use to make.

Choice 2: Don’t get a job (or at least not an official job). Keep making 70%+ of what you use to make.This includes unemployment and other programs. Keep the 40 or more hours of free time during the week, where you might find things to do for others off-the-books for extra cash (which maybe brings you to more than what you use to make).

After learning this, the ‘the unemployment payout is so small that nobody would choose that paltry sum over getting a job’ argument seems much less compelling. I’d say that it would be more of a surprise for someone to give up Choice 2 for Choice 1.

The whole podcast is worth a listen.  There are a couple other points Mulligan makes that I’d like to mention.

One (and some of this may be a mix of Mulligan’s points and my own). Unemployment is more of a choice than a condition that folks find themselves in ‘through no fault of their own.’

He contends that use to be the social norm. If you lost a job, there was more expectation on you to not burden your fellow citizens and to do something productive. So, for example, you were expected to have been responsible and saved for a rainy day when you did have a job. You were expected to make tough choices in your own budget to trim the fat. And, you were expected to find another job and take it and make ends meet, even if it was for less pay that what you used to make. At least you were being productive, responsible and continuing to add to your own work experience and skill set that may lead to bigger and better things.

The ‘social norm’ seems to have shifted to view what you use to earn and the budget choices you made then were things you were entitled to keep and that being out of job is something that you have absolutely no control over.

Two. The cost-benefit analysis of unemployment benefits has shifted. Unemployment benefits use to be viewed as a stop-gap to help folks in transition. It wasn’t really thought of something that would help the economy. Now the benefit-side of the cost-benefit analysis includes stimulative effects to the economy. But, Mulligan does a good job of addressing that belief:

It does put money in a group of people’s hands; it takes it out of another group of people’s hands. And the net reduction in the economy is actually less spending. Because, you know, you have less work going on. So there’s less total income to be spent. And so the people who are going to suffer from that, depending on the industry they work in, they are going to see the drop in demand for what they make. And they may not appreciate my story; but they don’t understand–they need to appreciate: Why aren’t their customers spending? If you drill down to the bottom of that you are going to see that the safety net expansions are a big part of it.

Here Mulligan makes an atomic connection that so few others do. Income and spending derives from wealth creation (i.e. doing productive things), not the other way around. All unemployment benefits do is shift who is spending the wealth that is being created, so since you have fewer people creating wealth, there will be less overall spending.

In fact, this reminds me of a post of mine from 2011, Government is overhead.

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4 thoughts on “Money for nothing

  1. I’ve always enjoyed it when I first meet someone at a social gathering and they ask me my name, maybe where I’m from but pretty early on they ask “What do you do?”

    I like it because it tells me that they are looking to build an image of me based on knowing how I make money. It’s not a bad way to start in terms of figuring someone out. Undoubtedly people’s characters are influenced by the way they spend 40 hours a week.

    My point is that based on how people speak colloquially, I think (at least amongst the people I interact with) folks think (or at least talk like) your job provides much of the meaning in your life.

    • I often ask that question. It’s usually part of a discovery process to find common ground and open up more topics of conversation. However, if someone said something like the folks in Mike M’s link below, I might be shocked and walk away.

  2. Hi Seth – I usually record and listen to EconTalk on my non-training days when I take the dog for a 6 mile walk, but I haven’t listened to the Mulligan interview yet.

    I think the social norm, or at least what has become acceptable (or even applauded as clever) by too large a segment of our population is “getting one over” on “the man”, whether the man is the government or an insurance company or some large corporation. Many people seem to have lost the recognition that all of these simply represent a collection of individuals that end up paying for (or redistributing their wealth to) to “clever” guy who pulled one over on the collective group. Moreover, people seem to think – perhaps they have been led to think by some of our politicians – that they are entitled to too many things and that somehow justifies what is, in essence, stealing from others. Of course, with “the man” as an intermediary, they don’t view it as such.

    This ties in with our discussion on rent seeking. When wealth is redistributed or shifted from one group to another by the government (either through taxation or tariffs or regulations), it doesn’t create any net new jobs or net increase in our economic output, i.e. it doesn’t increase our overall wealth, or well being, as a nation.

    Coincidentally, I saw this today on another blog I follow:

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4764841/Why-work.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News

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